Random and inconsistent snippets from an unstructured mind. My truth may not be your truth. A fact is a fact only by standing on it.
It can't fall down, there is nothing holding it up...
Except some sort of capitalist exploitation. The writer is a 3rd generation Indigenous Australian. Not, i might add, Aboriginal - two different concepts.
Saturday, December 03, 2005
Merry Christmas
25 comments:
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and a very Merry Christmas to you, too!! Thank you for visiting, leaving a comment and for your email which I promise not to post!!
Happy Jesusmas! Jesus was NOT the Christ. That's a Jewish myth and conspiracy. He was a guru, a teacher, a revolutionary, and the world's firt communist. No wonder they killed him! Happy Jesusmas, Davo... :-) .
Ah, Gerry. "christ" comes from a greek word meaning 'anointed' or, if you like, 'chosen'. So, depending on who's birthday one 'chooses' to celebrate, "Christmas" is the more technically correct.
Lovely work David, I saw some flowers just like these when I visited Tooting Lake today, they were growing outside a dentist's, not quite so open but blooming.
Sharon's right, Davo. I love a good argument. OED says Christ = Messiah, or Lord's annointed of Jewish prophecy.
Brings us back to the the idea that Christianity is a Jewish myth. I totally respect who I think Jesus was. I do not respect the hijacking and distortion of Jesus's teachings which I believe was carried out by a Messianic Jewish sect and subsequently by various Roman Emperors, and even after that, by God knows how many translators and transcribers "inspired" by "God" to make "corrections" along the way.
So, at this time of peace, love, and the renouncing of the importance of material wealth, I wish you a Happy Jesusmas.
Χριστός is the word 'christos' as written in Greek, and means 'anointed'. 'messias' is a hebrew word referring to a 'god-king'. Yeshua of Nazareth was too 'peaceful' to be the Jewish "Messiah". Just goes to show that if a myth is repeated for long enough it becomes 'truth'.
However, in the spirit of the original: I also wish you peace, love, fellowship and renunciation of greed.
For Christ's sake, Davo, look up an Encyclopedia for meaning of the word Christ. The word might be Greek but ti still refers to the jewish prophecy that a Christ/Messiah would come.
To some Jews Jessus was that person, the Christ. But you had to be Jewish to believe this. I still argue Jesus was a spiritual teacher, a healer, and the world's first anti-capitalist (socialist/communist) revolutionary. I still argue that the "son of God" or "Christ" stuff was added retrospectively well after he and the deciples were dead. And I argue it was done by a bunch of Jews to whom he was The Christ.
But whichever way you cut it, Christianity is a Jewish sect - against this there can be no rational argument.
Davo, you are completely wrong. Christianity is 100% a Jewish sect subjugated and "absorbed" by the Romans. And how nicely they (the Christians) then "absorbed" and subjugated the Romans.
um, Gerry, am not 'completely' wrong. 1700 years ago There has been 'absorbtion' and 'subjugation', but am not quite sure at this point who did what to who, and when. Merry Christmas.
Davo, it saddens me to reiterate that you are completely wrong. A sect is branch of a religion. The religion of which Christianity is a branch, is Judaism. Christianity is that branch of Judaism which believes that Jesus was their Messiah (the christ). This is why The New Testament piggy-backs on top of The Old Testament (The Written Torah).
GreenSmile, come here and tell him. He won't believe me but he'll believ you! :-)
I disagree with the idea that Jesus was The Messiah, because I reject the God of Judaism and I believe Jesus was a healer, a spiritual teacher of a more Eastern religious flavour, a pacifist, and I believe that his views regarding wealth and commerce make him the first Lefty in recorded history.
Gerry, ah Gerry. Some of actually 'work', and came home at 6pm today (Saturday), so have a little patience.
In answer to your question..while 'choke' is perhaps a little strong, No, I cannot wish you that; as it is NOT Jesus' birthday. The date, or even the year of his birth is undetermined. It is, however, generally accepted that he was 'born' during the Northern Hemisphere spring, which is when the Galilean shepherds were most likely out 'watching their flocks by night'. Am also still doubtful whether 'Jesus' ever actually existed (but am still working on that one). Can wish you a Merry Festive Season though .. will that do?
Though while am on this subject, 'christmas' as celebrated today is quite a recent phenomena in 'christian' communities. Cromwell the Puritan banned it when he was in charge, Charles ii brought it back, the Pilgrim Fathers were so peeved that they took a hike to America, where it wasn't declared a 'holiday' until 1870.
Um, returning to the beginning of this discussion, have discovered where the 'difference of opinion' regarding 'christ' and 'messiah' lay. While yes, the greek 'christos' and hebrew 'mossiach'(or messiah) can be directly translated into 'anointed', there are Cultural loadings that make the "meaning" of 'anointed' quite different. The change in meanings came roughly when the 'gospels' of the New Testament were adopted. From thereon, 'christos' came to refer exclusively to Jesus. see here
Davo, my hard working mate, the kindest thing I can summon up to say to you at this time is "look up the word 'obfuscation'."
As far as your apparent inability to wish me "Merry Jesus's Birthday Festive Season" on the grounds that "it is NOT Jesus' (sic) birthday", could you please explain to this apparently ignorant soul how this nevertheless allows you to wish people a "Merry Christmans" (presuming, of course, that you are referring to the very same date.) ???
25 comments:
and a very Merry Christmas to you, too!! Thank you for visiting, leaving a comment and for your email which I promise not to post!!
And a Merry Christmas to you too Davo, a Grevillia if I'm not mistaken.
Thank you Cyn and Peter.. Blessings on you and your families.
Bah humbug!!!
Happy Jesusmas! Jesus was NOT the Christ. That's a Jewish myth and conspiracy. He was a guru, a teacher, a revolutionary, and the world's firt communist. No wonder they killed him! Happy Jesusmas, Davo... :-)
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Ah, Gerry. "christ" comes from a greek word meaning 'anointed' or, if you like, 'chosen'. So, depending on who's birthday one 'chooses' to celebrate, "Christmas" is the more technically correct.
Don't argue with the Bear, it only makes him happy. Nice sentiments but could I have mine in a cheque?
Mary xmas! She rules,mate. All the best from , 'Eat at Joes'.
Lovely work David, I saw some flowers just like these when I visited Tooting Lake today, they were growing outside a dentist's, not quite so open but blooming.
I know London is warm anyway but cor blimey!
Many blessings Wombat - for now and for the year ahead. It has been great to find your blog.
Sharon's right, Davo. I love a good argument. OED says Christ = Messiah, or Lord's annointed of Jewish prophecy.
Brings us back to the the idea that Christianity is a Jewish myth. I totally respect who I think Jesus was. I do not respect the hijacking and distortion of Jesus's teachings which I believe was carried out by a Messianic Jewish sect and subsequently by various Roman Emperors, and even after that, by God knows how many translators and transcribers "inspired" by "God" to make "corrections" along the way.
So, at this time of peace, love, and the renouncing of the importance of material wealth, I wish you a Happy Jesusmas.
Aren't I just terrible?
Χριστός is the word 'christos' as written in Greek, and means 'anointed'. 'messias' is a hebrew word referring to a 'god-king'. Yeshua of Nazareth was too 'peaceful' to be the Jewish "Messiah".
Just goes to show that if a myth is repeated for long enough it becomes 'truth'.
However, in the spirit of the original: I also wish you peace, love, fellowship and renunciation of greed.
For Christ's sake, Davo, look up an Encyclopedia for meaning of the word Christ. The word might be Greek but ti still refers to the jewish prophecy that a Christ/Messiah would come.
To some Jews Jessus was that person, the Christ. But you had to be Jewish to believe this. I still argue Jesus was a spiritual teacher, a healer, and the world's first anti-capitalist (socialist/communist) revolutionary. I still argue that the "son of God" or "Christ" stuff was added retrospectively well after he and the deciples were dead. And I argue it was done by a bunch of Jews to whom he was The Christ.
But whichever way you cut it, Christianity is a Jewish sect - against this there can be no rational argument.
Merry Jesusmas! :-)
Merry Christmas to you to Davo! Any day celebrating peace is alright with me.
I am so glad to see so many new faces .. your blog is worth the read.
(PS, Gerry, 'Christianity' is a Roman 'sect')
Davo, you are completely wrong. Christianity is 100% a Jewish sect subjugated and "absorbed" by the Romans. And how nicely they (the Christians) then "absorbed" and subjugated the Romans.
Are you getting this yet?
Merry Jesusmas
um, Gerry, am not 'completely' wrong. 1700 years ago There has been 'absorbtion' and 'subjugation', but am not quite sure at this point who did what to who, and when. Merry Christmas.
but i think that you will find that it was the 'soothsayers' on 'mons vaticanus' who did most of the 'absorbing'.
Davo, it saddens me to reiterate that you are completely wrong. A sect is branch of a religion. The religion of which Christianity is a branch, is Judaism. Christianity is that branch of Judaism which believes that Jesus was their Messiah (the christ). This is why The New Testament piggy-backs on top of The Old Testament (The Written Torah).
GreenSmile, come here and tell him. He won't believe me but he'll believ you! :-)
I disagree with the idea that Jesus was The Messiah, because I reject the God of Judaism and I believe Jesus was a healer, a spiritual teacher of a more Eastern religious flavour, a pacifist, and I believe that his views regarding wealth and commerce make him the first Lefty in recorded history.
Merry Jesusmas
Thanks, Davo.
A very Merry Christmas to you and yours.
Due to unprecedented research, it has now been established that the correct blessing is in fact Merry Jesus's Birthday Festive Season...
So, Dave, I most heartily wish you a Merry Jesus's Birthday Festive Season. Have a good one, old son... ;-)
Thankyou Gerry, Whichever 'birthday' you happen to think it is.
(the rest of this discussion has gone over to Gerry's place
Yeah, right... With you absenting yourself from the debate... Your choice, Davo.
But hey, you could wish me a Merry Jesus's Birthday Festive Season. Would that be too hard? Would you choke on those words? :-)
Gerry, ah Gerry. Some of actually 'work', and came home at 6pm today (Saturday), so have a little patience.
In answer to your question..while 'choke' is perhaps a little strong, No, I cannot wish you that; as it is NOT Jesus' birthday. The date, or even the year of his birth is undetermined. It is, however, generally accepted that he was 'born' during the Northern Hemisphere spring, which is when the Galilean shepherds were most likely out 'watching their flocks by night'. Am also still doubtful whether 'Jesus' ever actually existed (but am still working on that one). Can wish you a Merry Festive Season though .. will that do?
Though while am on this subject, 'christmas' as celebrated today is quite a recent phenomena in 'christian' communities. Cromwell the Puritan banned it when he was in charge, Charles ii brought it back, the Pilgrim Fathers were so peeved that they took a hike to America, where it wasn't declared a 'holiday' until 1870.
Um, returning to the beginning of this discussion, have discovered where the 'difference of opinion' regarding 'christ' and 'messiah' lay. While yes, the greek 'christos' and hebrew 'mossiach'(or messiah) can be directly translated into 'anointed', there are Cultural loadings that make the "meaning" of 'anointed' quite different. The change in meanings came roughly when the 'gospels' of the New Testament were adopted. From thereon, 'christos' came to refer exclusively to Jesus. see here
Davo, my hard working mate, the kindest thing I can summon up to say to you at this time is "look up the word 'obfuscation'."
As far as your apparent inability to wish me "Merry Jesus's Birthday Festive Season" on the grounds that "it is NOT Jesus' (sic) birthday", could you please explain to this apparently ignorant soul how this nevertheless allows you to wish people a "Merry Christmans" (presuming, of course, that you are referring to the very same date.) ???
Am a bit 'dim', so?? :-)
Can wish people Merry Christmans (sic) if I wish. It's a free country ;-)
Merry Christmans, Gerry
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