"One of the great enigmas of history, i.e. the horrific martyring of Jesus "the Nazirene" (Yeshua Ben Yosef), his brother James "the Just" (Yaacov Ben Yosef), and their cousin John "the Baptist" (Yohannaton Ben Zachariah), has perplexed both historians and layman alike for nearly two millennia."
"In spite of the fact that dozens of books have been written on the subject, a great percentage of the western world, for various reasons from left to right, seems to be utterly ignorant of this historically provable fact. The most important point here is the fact that among the greatest crimes in history, i.e., the dastardly martyring of Jesus and James along with the eventual elimination of the entire Nazirene movement (while blaming the whole bloody business on the Jews), is a case which can never be overstated."
Click on the title to link to the whole article. There is, of course, much more information to look at, and it may also be helpful to have a look at the historical background of what is essentially "Monotheism".
This rather long essay provides such background. Apart from the historical context, it also covers the philosophies of the Persian "Magi" Zoroaster. (The name would be better known as 'Zarathustra' - as in "Thus Spake Zarathustra", the theme music for the film "2001 - a Space Odyssey".)
Am fairly sure that the discussion about what 'christianity' IS, or represents will continue long after most of us are dead.
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Uhoh Davo: You are treading on thin ice with my readership! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha :) Thanks for highlighting this article. I have always wondered about the distillation of facts from legends. Within one man's lifetime he can become a walking legend. After a couple of millenia, he is a bonified GOD! And although I am Christian and have faith, I still think it reasonable to question and study why and how Christianity came into being-even if it means breaking some paradigms in our thinking. Have a nice day:)
Heh! ya wanna read up with what they are trying to achieve with "nano-technology". Sheesh, 'computer transistors' based on 'organic molecules'???????
Thought that had already been done. Heh.
Oh well, let's re-invent the wheel.ujmmyn
Gee you lot are trying to stir the pot aren't you! The Essenes stuff, in spite of heaps of research, is still conjecture. I'm the practical sort. In our family we have a saying "Can you wear it?". We're practical sorts so we prefer the wearable to the purely decorative. So in that practical vein I make two points. We can't turn the clock back to go back to pre-Constantine times so let's judge Jesus/Yeshua - and his followers - on his own terms. Good trees bear good fruit, he said, and bad trees bear bad fruit. I think that's a pretty reasonable approach - and I think he scored well but not all who claim to be his followers do. He covered that too. He said - not everyone who says Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven. So if we look around it is not too difficult to see those with words - lots of Lord, Lords - and those with lots of productivity from their trees of faith. And just remember that we need to model ourselves on the kids around us: he said - of such is the Kingdom of Heaven.
I am gradually slipping "out of it", so imagine my frustration when I came down to your blog and spent and hour going through the stuff I've missed, and I discover stuff that actually wants me to think. Now is that a kind way to treat a guest? I'm going to go back and read the bicycle poem once more then take an aspirin and put my head under the pillow.
Thinking, thinking?? What a way to treat an old coot whose brains have turned to marshmallows. Tomorrow when I've cooled down I'll go to my books. I have some stuff on Josephus which I am about sure cites two other passages. Or else I'll just go roast my marshmallows.
OOps, sorry about that 70+ ..(grins).. if you happen to see anything here that makes smoke come out of your ears, it might be best to click straight across to Old Horsetail for a bit of light relief. :-)
Am not 'advocating' very much here, as am still looking around trying to make up my own mind. There's an interesting link to an 'analysis' of Josephus on my previous post
interpreting texts
Cheers.
Three Score and Ten or More, you have marshmallows YUM!
What is Davo on about?
Great research big guy!
With all the world to stick your shovel into, it still takes good digging to get the good dirt.
Thanks for the report, Davo.
Guess you won't be needing any of the sources linked from the NeoNostalgia blog.
Three Score and Ten More left a very amusing comment...
Okay, I don't know what to say yet, cause...I'm commenting as I read.
"By implicating the Sanhedrin, and surely they had a hand in it, they made it look as though the Jews as a group were whole-heartedly behind this holocaust. Nothing could be further from the truth. To say this generation of Sanherin were fine upstanding patriotic Hebrews, would be like telling the (Charles De Gaulle led) French resistance and the overwhelming majority of France in the forties that Marshal Patan and his band of French-Nazi (Viche) collaborators were heroes of World War II. "
I wonder what my "big brother" who spends part of his year in France would comment on that passage, but anyway...
"(sacrifice to Mithras requires the drinking of blood and taking of bread - you work it out),"
I can see the connection--that's the problem with cutting off the origins of faith and adopting shtuff that's a bit more Constantine. I still need to do a more indepth study of how a nice Jewish boy named Yeshua got his name all mistransliterated into Jesus...the Hebrew has no "s" at the end. I hear tell it's a Greek grammatical thing.
Now the communion deal--not the Catholic version of transubstantiation which chimes right in with the Mithras--but the actual incident that Yeshua actually addressed is about Passover and how Passover connects with a picture of the Messiah. But the common everyday Sunday church has narrowed the event down to a little white square and a bit of grape juice. The meaning has vanished into a trivial ritual with little or no connection to what actually occurred.
It's like the joke where this young woman cuts off the ends of her meatloaf cause her mother did it and her grandmother did it. Yet she has no idea why... her grandmother had a smaller loafpan!!
I'm just an eccentrically meshugunah Jew, but this essay you linked to sounds very goyisha to me... no offense or anything...
I do like this part of your subtitle -- "(and why are we being trained to read from today backwards?)" Cause why is that??? I wanted to open books right to left in kindergarten -- and I didn't even know I was Jewish then!!
Kind Regards,
Katie.
Stop by and say hi... I like differing points of view... keeps my own fresh and alive. ^..^
"By implicating the Sanhedrin, and surely they had a hand in it, they made it look as though the Jews as a group were whole-heartedly behind this holocaust."
I forgot to say that I agree with this statement-- just the inclusion of French history that confused me.
Katie.
Oops, I'm tired and left something out -- Only a handful of people "conspired" to martyr Yeshua, Yohannan and others... Like all government conspiracies--takes only that close circled few.
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Thanks for visiting Tesh, you are most welcome. So far it seems as if the translation went "Yeshua" .. to Greek "Iosus" to Latin "Jesus".
As you will probably gather if you read backwards, am not quite sure where I stand in all this 'religious' stuff, but will happily admit to being a 'pagan' .. but not of the Roman persuasion.:-)
Digging, Greensmile? It's a very large planet, and I only have a teaspoon and camel-hair brush. ;-)
We can't turn the clock back to go back to pre-Constantine times..."
Uhmmm why not??
If y'all go back to three very uncryptic words-- "In the beginning..."--don't need much else. The rest of the debate can easily turn into a heated argument where everyone is running around and around in circles with one right or left wing (or side of the brain).
Sorry, I've never figured out how to do that, since I'm more the ambidextrous type.
British Oxford dictionary meaning of "eccentric" (way better than the American Webster): "disc at the end of a shaft for changing rotary into backward and forward motion."
Now y'all know... why I'm eccentrically meshugunah. I don't fit in with normal people who are easily distracted by government conspiracies. (I read the Wall Street Journal and walk tigers down the street.) I don't like running around and around in a concentric circle with my head chopped off...or my brain at the door. Looks kinda weird.
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